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    Painting Methods & Materials

    thought I'd start a thread about things people use & know about Watercolor (& Gouache, Ink, FW etc)

    after painting several things on actual loose Arches paper, I'm doing a big piece on one of their blocks and I think it SUCKS!! The quality of the paper just doesn't seem as good, everything is just sticking so hard, have to pre-wet everything til it practically seeps through the lines...

    I remember Bob talking about how even in the rolls it's never as good as the individual sheets. I just scored a big sheet of 400lb, haven't used it yet.

    anyway, I like Speedballs, Chinese/Japanese lining brushes (MenSou), Daniel Smith watercolors, some Holbien, squirrel hair brushes for watering, series 7 brushes, although DaVinci's are nice too. There's a lady in england I found out about who's supposed to make amazing brushes that are reasonable, haven't tried her out yet.

    paining wise, as it relates to tattoos, I really love Hokusai, Kyosai, Ed, Roper, Ichibay, Lehi, Nick Rodin

    if you wanna read a lot about different watercolor brands, this is rad:

    handprint : watercolor brands

    anyone have material/technique stuff to share?

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    Re: Painting Methods & Materials

    um, i don't have a lot to share. i've only been painting with watercolours for a few years. i pretty much use whatever watercolours i have and try out different paper quite often. i destroy my brushes all the time, but i use davinci brushes quite often too. i prefer to use a no. 2 or no. 3 for doing lines. the only technique that is a mainstay in what i do is that i use liquid acrylic for the black. watercolour black is not very black. liquid acrylic is also water fast, so i can then paint over it with my colours and not have it turn into a mess. everytime i paint i do something a little different. i believe in chance.

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    I've been using PH martins for the majority of my paintings. The problems is I mostly like to paint Japanese imagery and the PH Martins are way too vibrant. I'll start with the outline and black shading, be perfectly happy until I lay that first color and it shines like a rainbow. That being said if you dont mind super vibrant color PH Martins are incredibly easy to work with and settle very evenly. However I recently started using FW Acrylics and I'm Much happier with the look. It's a bit more opaque, Doesnt blend as easy as watercolor and once it dries its no longer workable but the subtle colors are what I've been trying to achieve for years its a way more "traditional" look I guess. Plus they are lightfast where PH Martins are not.

    As far as Brushes go I've used tons and settled on Sable being maybe favorite. Alot of guys will tell you it doesnt matter but I can tell the difference.

    The Arches blocks are what I use about 90% of the time and I've been pretty happy with them. Cant tell much of a difference between that and the big loose sheets.

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    Re: Painting Methods & Materials

    I am not an artist by any means. My wife however is a fine artist, with a degree from Queens University. (I put a link in the paintings for sale thread to her website.)
    She was reading over my shoulder and said there is a really good water colour paper that is made in France. out of crushed bone. The paper needs to be wet to work on but not for long periods as it is animal based paper and it can start to get an odor and it can mold quicker than normal paper. But with that all said the application of the paint on the paper is of a higher quality with much better results.

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    i use a mix of different water colors, and fw's. for black i usually use fw or talens, but i really like how the ph martin black kinda has that blue tint when you blend it out, whereas the talens or what not has a true grey wash. i would like to find more blacks that have that blue hue to them if anyone knows of any...
    i usually like to mix things up every time i paint, but i think it's because i am still looking for painting methods that i truly prefer.

    i am also curious to know how people out there are transferring their images onto watercolor paper for painting? i have yet to tackle anything bigger than 11x14, so i have just been using a light table, but i am interested to see how others go about it.

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    Richard and Clay Decker are who I have to thank for what I know so far... And Bob Roberts, "it's not painting if it's not outlined with a brush", he told Richard when he was using a marker to use for some fine outlining stuff... We no longer use sharpies for paintings... Um...and I have been using Oil Colors and doing landscape paintings since I was 8 years old... My Uncle taught me he was amazing...

    I just recently started learning to use Water Color...

    Transferring images some use: graphite, others colored paper, I won't say what we have found to work best b/c that's us, everyone is different: graphite is harder to erase from paper, and you only have to lightly trace over with a ball point pen, but once it's down, it's down... I like colored tranfers, easier to correct, and they don't bleed...Saral Wax Free Transfer Paper - BLICK art materials

    As far as laying down outlines: some like speedballs, nibs, or quills, but we use brushes, and it's a learning process.

    Paints, try EVERYTHING it's fun, and no pressure like skin... but tubes are the way to go as you aren't writing down paint recipes for drops of dr.martins, or other liquids, they may dry out but you still have that one color you need to finish an old project you left on the table 4 months ago, and can't remember what you used to mix it... I can't get the knack of liquids still... I am a "watch your dap" and make sure your brush is lubed type, so water into liquid freaks me out... (still learning).

    Blick is the best for finding paper... Rolls are awesome, but we have been finding good deals on big sheets, and as far as blocks are concerned, I always keep a block around for Richard, Arches... Usually Clay has a dude that comes by the shop selling blocks at like 20.00 instead of the 60.oo they run at a chain store... So he's been stocking up and I buy em off him. We travel so much, guerilla paint sessions usually happen on a block.

    The last time I painted anything seriously it was helping out Richard with the signs at Spotlight... We painted until 30 mins prior to getting in a cab and heading to LAX to catch a flight, Steve stayed all nite to lend a hand too... It's still not done but attached are pics.

    Being around the Man, and Decker are really huge gifts, they have soo much talent, and know soo much, I'd be using tempera and being lame if it weren't for them.
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    Re: Painting Methods & Materials

    Jennifer,
    that panther is perfect, kinda wish it was on me, HUGE. I think there's a panther in my future.

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    Re: Painting Methods & Materials

    Quote Originally Posted by dari View Post
    Jennifer,
    that panther is perfect, kinda wish it was on me, HUGE. I think there's a panther in my future.
    I second that. both sides are so fucking rad

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    Re: Painting Methods & Materials

    Tattoo flash painting isn't really painting even if you use a brush. It's "illustration colored with a brush". I mean people didn't even really consider Rockwell a painter. He was an illustrator and his paintings(illustrations) were far better than what 99.999999% of us are all putting out. Outside of flash, and flash style paintings I don't really do that stuff much anymore. I did it for years before I was a tattooer so I'm going the other way that a lot of people are going. I'm not branching into painting, I'm leaving it alone for more tattoo based illustrations.

    Weird.

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    those signs are rad! thanks for the tips too, i think that transfer paper is the answer i've been looking for. -duh....

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