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people who are into tattoos get tattoos whether they are tattooers are not. if you're not tattooed then you'll never convince me that you are really into them. my experience has been that non tattooed tattooers dont love tattooing, they love money and they think tattooing is an "easy" way to get some they are "artists" who cant make it as an artist in the art world so they become tattooers because it the only way they can figure out to make a living illustrating. sidenote: Ursula, while the majority of the time you'd probably be correct it is not always true about tattooers being covered in the stuff we like to do. especially with people like myself who've tattooing for a long time. the 90's was an exciting time for tattooing and i am covered head to toe in tattoos that do not reflect who i am artistically at all anymore.because tattoos are permanent they do not change as our taste does so I have a biomech sleeve even though i havent done any biomech tattoos or had any interest in biomech at all since the late 90's.

i did this fun one just the other day

1) while those tattoos do not reflect who i am any more i do not regret any of them. they reflect who i was and where i came from artistically and i remember everything i learned from every one of them. i learned more about tattooing from getting tattooed by good tattooers than from anything else. i do wish i had room for more tattoos however. but not because i regret what i have but because i love tattoos and as i said previously "people who are into tattoos get tattoos" and that desire doesnt go away when you run out of room. 2)this isnt a discussion about saving a spot or two for future tattoos its about not having any tattoos.

Not a Dandy Warhol fan but funny enough did see them in concert in Portland in 1995. I only spent one year of high school in Portland and one in Seattle. But the music scene definitely drew me toward Portland. I have to say that I know a lot of people who fancy themselves photographers and none of them are making very much money because every asshole with an $80 digital camera is now a photographer and Every asshole with a computer is a graphic designer. I don't know your friends work, but what I do know is there are a lot of people willing to work for next to nothing and often time volunteer their work for free and people looking for this work know that and just will go with the free work, despite the quality. Gee what other craft is like that? Tattoing is different than other fields in the sense that most feel you have to earn the right to tattoo by paying your dues, regardless of natural talent in art. Skipping this step, depraves you of a lot of insight to running a tattoo shop that aren't related to art. Getting tattooed was a way to learn about the industry and be present to some important conversations. Don't believe me go watch the Dringenberg Interview on the home page.

Can we all just stop kicking this dead horse. Points have been made, and points have been argued. Does that make them right, no. But if you want to get tattooed by someone with little to no tattoos go ahead. The rest of us will be with the guys in suits.

This is a tattoo site we're all about firm views .

There's no way he 'loves' tattoos and doesn't have any. Period. Nothing you can say will change my mind on that. All you did was prove Bart's comment that most of the people tattooing who aren't heavily tattooed are in it for the money because they couldn't make it in other art related jobs. There's no way he would make more money as a photographer. Every asshole with a camera fancies themselves a photographer now a days, it's a very very hard field to make money in, unless you are truly talented.

I know you're clawing desperately for a way to be 'right' in this argument but this way of thinking would only apply to someone who is expressing themselves, for the benefit of their clients via their tattoos. Thats not the way it works. We get tattooed because we LOVE tattoos. If a tattooer does save space for the different 'periods', by the time they are a decent tattooer they should have passed through so many 'periods' that they have a shit-load of tattoos anyway. I still have space on one of my forearms. My bodysuit was finished before I did anything there. But like Bart said, that saving space, which isn't what this argument is about. I'm guessing you, a friend or your tattooer doesn't have many tattoos and you're trying to find a way to be told "It's ok, you're different." It's ok, they will get lots of tattoos eventually. But to put another spin on the argument: how many good tattooers (I mean tattooers, people who do tattoos that look like tattoos, not colour portrait guys) don't have many tattoos. There are a few, but not many. Also, this isn't a theoretical argument, where logic wins. "If this is true, then this must equal false" It's a real-life discussion about real things and when it comes to tattoos and tattooing: The tattooer is ALWAYS right. ;)

well actually it is "little to no tattoos" so forget number 2 . but still... saving a spot or two for the future is fine but not getting tattooed not at all or almost not at all because you might not like it later...well... that is part of the attraction of tattoos. the permanence. not getting tattooed because you might not like it later is like choosing to not date someone who's totally awesome and perfect for you because you might grow apart and meet someone better in 15 years. there's no way to know.

Yes, I ride and just got home on a 47% night ride through "Deer Alley". I don't think I would be here if it weren't for Harley Davidson, my Dad rode by my Mom one day when she was sitting on the lawn of her parents home, eventually a girlfriend of hers told her that "Bob Hawk wants to take you on a date", my Mom replied "As long as he picks me up on the robin egg blue Harley Davidson of his then he has a date" and the rest has been history. I eventually restored the same year and model with the factory paint color, it was HD color code "Peacock Blue"(Mom always called it robin egg blue) for 1949. My every day rider is a 1948 panhead HD and my land barge is a stock 1967 Electraglide HD and my go fast machine is a 93 inch S&S in a 1974 frame with all the cool chit but goin into Winter I'm ridin a stock 1978 bagger with full fairing and snap on leg covers to deflect the cold and I will probably be ridin it come the early Spring, may have to head to South Dakota on that next week due to a death in the Family. Those are what I have plated to ride but I will always have a Triumph in the garage til I die, it's a 1962 pre unit 650. Can't count all the bikes I've had in my lifetime now and the whole Family rides, in fact we would come home from school to go ridin when we were young and Dad would take one of our bikes to work, guess he felt entitled, ha! I sold off allot of bikes back when I bought the home I live in now, back then Bankers weren't very keen on Tattooers cause it wasn't "popular" like it is now and the banker told me that they could ask for as little as 10% down and the usual was 15% down but from ME they wanted 20%, I knew this was a way for them to get rid of the long haired tattooed biker trash but I said OK. I went home and called a friend of mine whom I worked the motorcycle swap meet circuit with, I tattooed and he sold parts, told him what was going on and to come over and make an offer. Sold him all of my 6 and 12 volt parts, a 1948 Indian Chief, a WW-II 1942 WLA HD, '81 FXR, '80 FLH HD, '74 shovelhead Chopper HD, and a stroker shovelhead custom and that 1049 pan and didn't look back, went to the bank and laid down the 20%. Another kid was comin and we needed more room for what was going to be my last rug rat, 4 boys and this 5th to be a Daughter and here is a picture of the smartest one of the lot, well armed when she was just little, you guys don't get any pic's of the lady she's grown to be...The second is a pic of my other precious the 1948 Pan and she's had some mods since this pic. Thanks for kick startin this thread, enjoying the read. RIDE HARD DIE FREE

@LilMountain if your question hasn't already been answered in another thread, just ask it here. If it turns into an interesting/useful thread, I'm sure one of the mods would move or re-name it for you. Good luck...

how can a client take them seriously when theyre telling them how to take care of something they dont know how to themselves. i dont even understand how you can be, not only artistic, but also into tattooing and not get them yourself. i think about tattooing about 45 out of 60 minutes every hour and i dont even tattoo haha... shit, maybe im an obsessive freak though.

So we've got a lady head thread, how about an entire lady body thread! Here's one that I've always liked! It's by Mike Wilson. And if you knew the guy in the photo, please know I mean no disrespect by posting this, he was a friend of mine to, and he had and did some awesome tattoos. I really like the simplicity of the design. The shading is so minimal yet so effective.

it's really hard to make money as a photographer even if you are talented(one of the largest international photography prizes (the HCB award)is only $70,000, which sounds like a lot, but it's a grant and meant to be used to pay for equipment, travel, assistants, etc. and that all adds up quickly). but that's not why most photographers take pictures. they do it because they love it.

NICE JOB! That is one hell of a ring!

I bet your bro does sick ink and sweet tatties all day long, and he may say he likes tattoos but actions speak louder than words, and getting tattooed shows your dedication to the craft. I don't know I think this topic has been exhausted and we have heard from some of the best tattooers in the world and they seem to have a similar opinion. I am not saying someone can't put on a good tattoo without tattoos, but clearly he doesn't love tattoos as much as you or he would have some.

Buah ah ah, I thought she was pregnant!!! Congrats on the engagement Ursula!!!

The only hardtail I would buy at the moment would be an older Triumph. I'm not a fan of big bikes (too heavy! Plus not 'flickable') and harleys are overpriced in my opinion. But to each his own. Bike below is what I want if I had the money for a kidney-busting bike.

Here's a big ol Dragon Ed painted. It was one of like... four, five pieces at the Tattoo the World event.

I don't take personal offense when people use slang terms I just kind of use it as a barometer for how in the loop a person is. Two people joking around in the shop might say "ready to do some tatzaps" and the other might respond "slinging ink all day long" and i know they are joking having a good time. However if some guy comes in and wants to show me his sweet tatz that his bro who has his own tat gun and ask how much it would cost him to get sleeved cause he bro would do it for $100, then that is annoying.

pearls to swine. If they dont get it,they just dont get it.

@Stewart Robson every time I come here I'm surprised to see you're still posting. Surprised and glad, you're deff one of the best. Now if we could only figure out how to get more like you and less of these we'd be set!

Another Rodney Raines tiger...on me.

You may hate me for doing this or not but since you are part of the LST family..... CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ENGAGEMENT @Ursula !!!

see now all I can picture is a roster tattoo on my dick... and some joke about rising early in the morning!

Congrats.

Also heard/read it was because the chicken and pig crates were the first thing to pop up and float after a ship went down.

yep, ran a couple updates and everything is working smooth

Im scared and its 2011.

@Ursula - Congrats!!!!!!

Oh my goodness, happy to you! And thank you Alanna for making the announcement!

I rode triumphs and BSAs fer years, still love em.'' Witworth'', those are the wrenches that fit, not metric. I grew up workin on cars and bikes, amature raced yamaha 600s, I would always recommend diving in to anything you dream about,whatever the cost. thats why im old and broke,but i have no regrets.I never have to say''I wish i knew how to.........''.when youre old and shotout you dont wanna say ''I wish I had....''. corny but true ''just do it''. Even broke my hip on a 73 triumph, back in 90 i think, yeehaw, been there done that...lol

Congrats! Great Adventure Awaits!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_vlZha7bg

yes this is neccesary because i am so happy and excited for you and yes i did poach that pic from your facebook! I wish you and James all the luck in the world and for your future life together! and lets hope that the immigration does not take too much longer so you can go be with your man!

fixing a 72 norton combat with my stepdad right now. luckily the bearings were changed before any major engine damage was done. its an expensive hobby, but fun as hell

What about skinny chefs ???!!! sorry !! only joking .... I wouldn't let a tattooist with baldy skin touch me i'm afraid ....

same thing I said to MsRad. Start small, try the safety course. I've usually got people up and running in a few days for the basics. It is cheaper than most people think if you start with a small, older bike. just remember dont skip on the gear. Dress for the crash not for style.

All this talk of surgeons made me want to say two things A) if you think doing a tattoo is the same as doing surgery you are fucking stupid. B) yes I would be more comfortable getting a nose job from someone who's had one them selves, however you can't learn about surgery by having it done on you since you're not awake during the part that's going to teach you something. Now can someone please start or bring back some of the threads that are actually worth reading? Sick of logging on everyday and seeing 6 new 'I'm new here' threads and nothing else.

Got my first a few months ago, it's in honor of my wife and her family who is chinese. I asked specifically for a 5 clawed dragon which the artist had never done before as he was a Japanese specialist. Not the best pic, taken right after the final session.

One day ill have my vagina tattooed...

who are these people ?

a lil self restraint can be a tough thing......this is one reason why reality TV has so many visitors waiting for the next trainwreck yet majority of people claim to not like this stuff or drama.....plus everyone wants to be the next star or bash another for their attention when positivity will be much more powerful...the sad thing is the forums/threads like this get the most attention, visits, users online, etc when what we really want, why we started this was to give people a platform to contribute positively. We dislike having to close threads/post and/or delete them unless we absolutely have to. They happen like life and it is how we respond! We do not want to lose any of the tattooers or other LSTers......sooooooooo Here's my reply I wrote awhile ago in this thread and elsewhere Here is Scott's response

These are by the always impressive Hans Schroder of Old Bones Tattoo Malmo Sweden Hans Schröder, Malmö Sweden

i like wilson and stell. wilson did this hardy tiger for me in 2008.

There's too many he has done, it seems like he does at least one in every place we stop... But, it's one of our favorite tattoos... I am proud of the Knee Tiger he wasn't perfectly happy with it, but... that's how he rolls.