peterpoose

Far too much thinking going on here :)

Beautifully written:)

oh cool man thanks for the update

you were getting tattooed at a very fast pace, any new pieces to share?

Hey mate,

I had a skull done by Robert Hernandez. Got Tofi on the 20th August. Victor Portugal 21st, 22nd and 23rd August. Silvano Fiato on the 27th August and Carlos Torres on the 23rd Sept :)

Thought I would revive the thread with some more pics:-)

As you know I am trying to document the aging process of fine detailed tattoos using my own one.

Not very professional lol but I hope we can see any changes if and when they happen

Taken these photos at the intervals on the picture, used the same camera on the last 2, first one was on my phone though and roughly in the same position.

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This thing is tiny lol

Ah well you win some you lose some!

Yep it will add to my slow collection :)

The guy who sold said it only has 19 pages and the one you linked has 30. Will wait I guess till it arrives, either way I am sure I will like looking through it :)

I think it is related to the Sailor Jerry Spiced Rum brand. Do you see the tiny dot after the "Y" in the Sailor Jerry signature at the bottom? I think that is a "TM" for trade mark.

Aha yes I do, so maybe not such a great find afterall lol :)

Just found this on Ebay and bought it. It was labelled as super rare.

Anyone know if this is genuine or anything about the book as I cannot seem to find this book anywhere else?

Continuation of my Robert Hernandez leg piece, still in progress. Went to Madrid for this, 7 hours 30 mins:-)

Awesome mate, congratz :)

It comes to the UK in May homie. @peterpoose

Wicked stuff thanks mate, will keep my eyes open for it then :)

My guess is it will be available pretty quickly after theater. i think they are only doing 150 theaters nation wide and two showings per theater. I am going with some local tattooer friends...gonna be a blast. About ime something "real" about tattooing hit a big mainstream audience like this.

Yeah I would go see this but I am in the UK and seems its not playing anywhere that I can find :(

Will this be available to purchase?

I hope you don't think I'm trying to discredit realistic tattoos--as a former art major I see their merit and fully respect the style. Yes, they are tattoos, but I still think they draw a different crowd and subculture within tattoo collecting.

If you study old flash and new flash as well as old tattoos (check out the thread on this forum-- not sure how to link it) and the traditional tattoos members are posting here, there is a clear evolution of style, execution, and design while maintaining the traditional style and elements. Perhaps you should watch the artist interviews on this site, as most of the tattooers talk about this bringing the old into the new. As for realistic tattoos, they have all the boundaries of an oil painting or drawing. While many, if not all, tattooers create their own artwork, designing a tattoo utilizes a wealth of different design techniques. Realistic tattoos are simply paintings tattooed on the body. The actual execution of the tattoo requires tattooing skills, but tattooing, to me, is about the design. And tattoo designs are very different from paintings and the like.

Again, not trying to discredit the style, just my .02 on why I get traditional-esque tattoos.

What section is that in, sounds interesting would like to see them. I can dig through the forum :)

i am not trying to shit on your parade you have already said your tattoo is for the now here is a quick google search to a very different healed tattoo

there is a blog with it on BME Risks | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News | Page 2

Yep I have mate, just discussing on topic. It is a forum for doing just that after all. Not arguing or disrespecting anyone, I am obviously interested in this topic as ofcourse I wouldn't like my tattoo to look shit in 10 years but if it does it does :)

That tattoo was done badly in the first place.

My simple answer is no, I would not get a "realistic" tattoo. Not because I don't appreciate the art and what it's doing for the tattoo industry. It's more because realistic tattoos have stopped looking like tattoos, and to me, look like temporary body paint. The whole culture of tattoos and the evolution of designs is what I love about getting tattooed--being a part of that. These realistic tattoos are such a severe deviation from what tattoos have been and have become. This doesn't mean it's not something to be admired or respected. However, realistic looking tattoos have allowed consumers that never would have gotten tattooed to find something that they like. In some ways, it feels like its only creating this other tattoo culture where everyone in the world has at least one tattoo, but doesn't know what it means to be tattooed. They don't take on the burden of setting themselves apart and defining their own subculture. All because they don't want a tattoo that looks like a tattoo. They want something that looks like a photoshopped nature photograph on their ribs. Now I'm just getting biased and cold.... But I hope someone understand what's I'm saying.

As for the tattoos lasting, I don't think any tattoo truly "lasts". I'm not expert as I don't have many and I'm not that old. I do have a almost 6 year old solid black outline which looks the same as the day I've got it done. But that's because I took care of it, SPF 50 always. If you take care of it, it will probably look better than some one who didn't.

Thank you mate for detailing better. I understand a but better now I think. I am really anal with my tattoos, so I do look after them.

I see that from your point of view, its as much to do with the culture of the tattoo world and I can respect that but things in life change, move on and can be different yet part of the same culture. Splitting it into groups is just another way to make a distance between the two types of art and in my opinion there really is no need. I am sure if I sat down the pub with you, we would get on great, we may have different tastes but I am sure that would not matter, to me atleast.

Just because things have changed doesn't make either type of tattoo art and less of an art simply because you dislike the way it is heading :)

Tattoos should live in harmony with each other. Respecting both sides of the industry seeing as people keep sticking labels on the different types of art. To me and maybe wrongly is all tattoos are one category, tattoos. That's it :)

I can understand the part where you will get this Hollywood type people that do things for trends and ridiculous shit to be seen and I agree with you on that part but everything always has its downsides.

You mention that you love the evolution of designs for tattoos, well to me the traditional looking tattoo looks just the same to me now as it was years ago. So to my untrained eye it hasn't evolved to much. The new styles of tattoo art are definitely evolving design wise wouldn't you say?

Again I am a complete novice so please take that into account. I am just saying my view on things and I could be totally wrong but I hope I am not :)

Ideally I would love to see ALL tattoos last and stand the test of time no matter the style and in 10 years time the new type of art would be recognized as tattoos by everyone.

It's not that I hate the tattoo or the specific experience as much as it's that I wish I went into it with a better understanding of what I was buying into/supporting. It's like if you were going to buy a car and one salesman is an honest hard working guy that has been selling cars for years. He is trying to sell you a car that is reliable and tells you the car is going to last forever. The other salesman is flashier has a car that looks better aesthetically but he doesn't say anything about it. You just know that it looks newer and shinier than the other car. You buy the flashy car and it breaks down after a couple years. It's not necessarily the salesman's fault for not saying anything to you about the car not being reliable. You just should have done more research and better understood what you were getting. But it's a bummer you gave your money to the wrong guy and supported the wrong business.

I see your point :)

What if both cars were going to drive forever?

No one can predict the future and from what I personally have seen with my own eyes from the artists I chose is that this will last.

Other artists or designs I cannot comment on.

It seems a fad that when different groups of people are on different sides of the fence, they will be bias yet no one can show me proof that these types of tattoos will not last.

Some won't, some will in my opinion but to write it off as a fail at the start and grouping every other tattoo that's not traditional in the fail catergory is a little bit negative and bias towards your side of the fence.

If I was to say, put your money where your mouth is(not directed at the quoted mate) and say, let's have a wager of a £10,000 bet that my arm doesn't look like a blob in ten years time, would you take it? I would and seriously would take that if anyone is that sure that only traditional tattoos last. I am not sure but I believe in what I saw with my own eyes. I may lose the bet but you may lose also :)

Would any of you traditional guys/gals get a modern type tattoo if you knew it would last forever or do you just not like the art itself? :)

Please if anybody has any concrete proof via pictures, would you mind posting them?

Cheers

I'll be the first to admit that I fell victim to the internet/myspace era of tattoo portfolios. I saw a few "realistic color portraits" and thought they were the best tattoos I had ever laid eyes on. I went out and got myself a real expensive one from an artist held in high regard within that style of tattooing. To this day it was my least memorable tattoo experience. I didn't feel like I was in a tattoo shop, I had to deal with huge egos, there was little to no respect or care for other tattooers in the industry, and in retrospect I was paying a lot of money for a "temporary" tattoo. The internet falsely represented good and humble tattooing to me and I ate it up.

It's much like what I believe the internet has done to music on both the artist and fan side of things. People no longer physically go out and buy records to find music. They download music (usually not even full albums), claim they found an awesome band that they believe to be talented via a computer screen, then when they go to see that band live it's a bunch of pre programmed auto tuned bullshit that lacks any skill in playing an instrument or understanding proper song writing. Hopefully they leave feeling disappointed, stop buying into it, and mark it as a lesson learned. Much like how I felt after I got my "realistic portrait".

Bands no longer have to tour non stop in a van for months on end under shit conditions before they become successful. They are now fueled by internet hype and are playing sold out shows before ever even touring.

I feel that this draws a perfect parallel to this new generation of tattoo artists that have no idea how to lay down a proper outline, shade with black, paint flash, etc yet they have kids flocking to them and are booked out months before ever paying their dues at a shop.

The consumer is the only one that can stop all the garbage that happens because of the internet. If we put in a little effort into going to a tattoo shop and talking to someone about why a color portrait with no black won't make for a good tattoo as opposed to reading a blog about it we will make for a much more educated consumer and hopefully end up with quality tattoos. Fuck, I really wish I had done that and not depended on what I saw on a screen. It wasn't until I physically walked into shops like Spotlight, Classic, or Gold Rush that I truly understood what I wanted out of a tattoo.

And that's the end of my rant...

Totally agree with you mate about the way things are heading these days. It will only get worse in many avenues including the ones you mentioned. As far as tattooing goes, I am a complete novice but I know what I like the look of. I like the stuff that is about now days compared to the traditional type tattoos (although I have seen many awesome traditional tattoos that I like but would never get). I also prefer B/G with just hints of colour.

From what I gather, is everyone absolutely sure that (lets use my pieces as examples) all my tattoos will look like blobs? Do we all have to get traditional tattoos to stand a chance of having some nice looking tattoos in lets say ten years time? I don't like the sound of that really. I never had the bad experiences you had with artists but I am sure it happens. I will say I prefer the whole feel of the old traditional type tattoos, lifestyle, the people etc instead of the sometimes fake Hollywood shit. For instance Moni Morino, she is plastering herself all over the web in poses and fucking stupid shit she doesn't need to do. She's a good looking chick and a talented artist in my opinion but doing so many cheesy photo shoots. Money!

I feel money seems to destroy good times and feelings. I have money and i've seen mates I grew up with from the ages of of like 4 turn into complete pricks because they got money and some power job wise. Like the rave scene which I loved when it was underground. Soon as it was seen the amounts money that was involved it started to go shit, driven into a controlled environment, to make even more money.

What is it about your tattoos that you hate? Was it the experiences or the actual tattoo looks like crap now?

As I mentioned in an earlier post. I witnessed with my own eyes a piece like what you are all describing, colour, no outline etc that was done 5 years before and looked immaculate. How would you guys explain this? I am genuinly interested in your answers as you all have so much more experience. I just went and got what I liked and never once thought about the longevity until I got to Dmitriy.

One last question. For the people that do not like or want to get a traditional tattoo, what other options are there left for people like us?

lol Sorry for the long post :)

i like it when people think there is a special "technique" to making this type of tattooing last. tattooing is poking holes in people with needles dipped in ink. thats the technique. it has always been that and always will be. each new generation learns the hard way.

The mind is a powerful thing :)

Yeah he is doing some amazing works.

This is the piece, amazing!

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Hi Peter...

I am the owner of the gecko tattoo on BTP and I feel pretty much in the same boat as yourself - only my piece has a lot less black! That said, Oddboy has also posted older examples of his work (although only going back 4-5 years) which still look great. We shall see if I have a blue green smudge later on in life or not - but I am not losing sleep over it!

hey mate, that's a lovely piece you have.

Its just that sometimes it feels like the old school type tattoo people (sounds wrong labelling people lol but you know what I mean) seem to really want these new types of tattoos to fail. All i ever get and its always from the same crowd is "that wont last, blah blah blah"

From what I have seen, they look very likely to last, obviously dependent on artist and techniques which I know nothing about :)

what i would love to see is a magazine, or section on this wonderful forum -where pictures of "realistic" tattoos that were published in magazines(or online) when new- were tracked down and re-photoed to show how they hold up compared to how they were presented to the public. i think many magazines do us artists a disservice when they photoshop up tattoo images. it makes for pretty pictures, and unrealistic expectations from clients. if i had a dollar for every time i told a potential client that a white tattoo was not going to look good, and had them pull up some photo of a freshly done white tattoo on their phone to prove me wrong......so lets see some pictures of those 20 shades of rottting flesh tatttoos when new and 10 years later

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@ peterpoose sorry but that tattoo is barely readable now, in 10 years you will have a black arm. sorry dude

Not sure what you are trying to read, nothing to be read there lol

On a more serious note :)

No need to be sorry mate, I will probably not even be alive in 10 years lol. I got it for now and however long it lasts, it lasts. I know alot of people specially on this forum are all for the old school type tattoos that do stand the test of time and everywhere that old school tattoo people say the same thing. Its like the Old school tattoo people vs the new type of tattoo art artists are throwing out nowdays.

No one is sure really whether they will last, you can only presume, inks are better, machines etc. I am not talking about mine but all of this new type of tattoo work seems to get the same treatment specially from people like yourselves that are into old type tattoos, which I am not. I never wanted an old school tattoo and was only until I saw this new art that I fell in love with tattoos. I can appreciate the artwork but I just don't like old type tattoos even though I grew up around them :)

I did ask Dmitriy while I was in Odessa about my concerns and the fine details, so he sent for a friend he did 5 years previously with an intricate piece of this new type of art that people are saying wont last (no outlines etc) to show me how it aged. I have to say it was like it was done yesterday and exactly the same as what I saw on the internet years before. So I live in hope lol

Some folks on here said because I have alot of black it should hold up better, either way I don't care, at the time I got it, its a beautiful piece of art whether it lasts or not:)

@peterpoose It's from these guys not sure which one of them though .

GENKO & EN TATTOO STUDIO Web Site

Wow really? My brother got a piece at the London Convention this year by EN. I was sat talking to them both as Alex De Pase was working on me in the next booth. Didn't seem like the stuff they normally do?